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		<title>By: paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 18:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have since dropped my Visual Sound boxes and the compresor off my board. Not that they were not all really good units I just like to shuffle the deck now and then. I have an all new pedalboard chain these days.

 I stopped using a compressor as I just had no need for one. I had been using it more for clean boost into the OD w very little compression. I just dropped it for more a true clean boost pedal. I currently use the Fulltone Fat Boost 3 set rather clean into a new 1.4v OCD which gets knob twisted about every time I play, from a cleaner tube push to more dirt. Combines extremely well with the fat boost. 

Compressors are better for cleaner stuff especially that country &quot;chicken pickin&quot; thing. I play more heavy fusion more Jeff Beck Satriani type tones. I could use the compressor on cleaner stuff but on high gains or driven tubes it is just way over kill.  

When I play clean my tubes give all the compression I need even clean channel and the OCD is not so much a compression OD circuit. Those playing high gain tones really do not need a compressor. The best place is up front BEFORE dirt, there is argument of wah before or after depends on the wah and OD or Dist being used. Compressors will maginfy the noise floor even on a normally quit chain, it&#039;s just what they do. 


And FYI the best place for an external noise reduction like a Hush or an ISP decimator is in the loop last on return or if no loop amp-in last position. As with all effects, less is more, just use what is needed to sweeten the tone no matter what it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have since dropped my Visual Sound boxes and the compresor off my board. Not that they were not all really good units I just like to shuffle the deck now and then. I have an all new pedalboard chain these days.</p>
<p> I stopped using a compressor as I just had no need for one. I had been using it more for clean boost into the OD w very little compression. I just dropped it for more a true clean boost pedal. I currently use the Fulltone Fat Boost 3 set rather clean into a new 1.4v OCD which gets knob twisted about every time I play, from a cleaner tube push to more dirt. Combines extremely well with the fat boost. </p>
<p>Compressors are better for cleaner stuff especially that country &#8220;chicken pickin&#8221; thing. I play more heavy fusion more Jeff Beck Satriani type tones. I could use the compressor on cleaner stuff but on high gains or driven tubes it is just way over kill.  </p>
<p>When I play clean my tubes give all the compression I need even clean channel and the OCD is not so much a compression OD circuit. Those playing high gain tones really do not need a compressor. The best place is up front BEFORE dirt, there is argument of wah before or after depends on the wah and OD or Dist being used. Compressors will maginfy the noise floor even on a normally quit chain, it&#8217;s just what they do. </p>
<p>And FYI the best place for an external noise reduction like a Hush or an ISP decimator is in the loop last on return or if no loop amp-in last position. As with all effects, less is more, just use what is needed to sweeten the tone no matter what it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so is it noise suppressor(Boss NS-2), before compressor(Boss CS-3) that&#039;s best?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so is it noise suppressor(Boss NS-2), before compressor(Boss CS-3) that&#8217;s best?</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 01:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Compressors raise the noise floor, the level of hiss when you are not playing. True hard wired by-pass cannot save you here, it is just the inherent nature of the compressor, some will be worse than others and if your chain already has some hiss it will magnify it. My line is totally quiet and my Visual Sound compressor has an internal noise reduction circuit and level pot. I keep it on min. Those ISP decimator would help your hiss, also high quality cables.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compressors raise the noise floor, the level of hiss when you are not playing. True hard wired by-pass cannot save you here, it is just the inherent nature of the compressor, some will be worse than others and if your chain already has some hiss it will magnify it. My line is totally quiet and my Visual Sound compressor has an internal noise reduction circuit and level pot. I keep it on min. Those ISP decimator would help your hiss, also high quality cables.</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 00:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Compressor up front yes BUT if you are using harmonizer effects NO. Harmonizer effects need to be up front for proper signal trigger, the compressor screws up the guitar signal for dynamic response. I use the Digitech Whammy primarily for its harmonizer modes, Digitech agrees w me it needs to be first up for proper trigger pitch. You can put this last IF you are using for the typical 8va whammy sweeps. Also I have a TRIGGERED WAH (Digitech Synth Wah) this ALSO has to be in front of the Compressor for proper triggering. My Compressor is in front of my 1st OD and Dist. NEVER and I repeat NEVER put a Compressor OR a DIST gain box in the amp loop!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compressor up front yes BUT if you are using harmonizer effects NO. Harmonizer effects need to be up front for proper signal trigger, the compressor screws up the guitar signal for dynamic response. I use the Digitech Whammy primarily for its harmonizer modes, Digitech agrees w me it needs to be first up for proper trigger pitch. You can put this last IF you are using for the typical 8va whammy sweeps. Also I have a TRIGGERED WAH (Digitech Synth Wah) this ALSO has to be in front of the Compressor for proper triggering. My Compressor is in front of my 1st OD and Dist. NEVER and I repeat NEVER put a Compressor OR a DIST gain box in the amp loop!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 14:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is all helpful but, what about running my compressor through my effects loop? My distortion all comes from my mesa head. should my compressor be in my loop with phaser, delay, and reverb? or in front into my guitar? Andy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all helpful but, what about running my compressor through my effects loop? My distortion all comes from my mesa head. should my compressor be in my loop with phaser, delay, and reverb? or in front into my guitar? Andy</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean, thank you!!!!!!  I have the compressor first in a Marshall high-gain setup, and the hand-on-string noise is horrific.  I&#039;m going to try this tonight, and if it works, I can&#039;t tell you how much I appreciate it!

Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean, thank you!!!!!!  I have the compressor first in a Marshall high-gain setup, and the hand-on-string noise is horrific.  I&#8217;m going to try this tonight, and if it works, I can&#8217;t tell you how much I appreciate it!</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>By: tony</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 01:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi, ive just bought a behringer mdx220 compressor. having never owned one or used one before im completely confused after reading all the comments. . would you mind giving me a bit of advice as to where it should go in my siginal chain. im recording the guitar with the following equiptment. guitar...yamaha stompbox...hughes/kettner redbox classic di....roland amp... shuremic... mackie 1202 mixer desk...computer for recording. regards tony</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi, ive just bought a behringer mdx220 compressor. having never owned one or used one before im completely confused after reading all the comments. . would you mind giving me a bit of advice as to where it should go in my siginal chain. im recording the guitar with the following equiptment. guitar&#8230;yamaha stompbox&#8230;hughes/kettner redbox classic di&#8230;.roland amp&#8230; shuremic&#8230; mackie 1202 mixer desk&#8230;computer for recording. regards tony</p>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 01:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the order of the effects on my 1982 xmr omni rack unit has the compressor first. i just assumed that since they make a classic compressor they would place it to sound the best. i just purchased a 1975 dyna comp to see how it sounds to the rack unit, but i have a problem on the 1975 attenuating the signal all the way down when activated so i cannot get it to room level much less a boost. i turned the volume of my twin 65 reverb all the way up and i get a good signal and the volume pot works to cut the volume but the  sensitivity make no differenc when adjusted.  
Yea a twin 65 reverb all the way up in the den and no blown out windows and you can talk loudly and hear each other.  anybody had an experience with the drop off in volume on you old script DC when activated? sorry for the whine about my DC problem, if this is in the wrong channel could you steer me in the tight direction or point me to a good repair site DYI or pro,
thanks
dale</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the order of the effects on my 1982 xmr omni rack unit has the compressor first. i just assumed that since they make a classic compressor they would place it to sound the best. i just purchased a 1975 dyna comp to see how it sounds to the rack unit, but i have a problem on the 1975 attenuating the signal all the way down when activated so i cannot get it to room level much less a boost. i turned the volume of my twin 65 reverb all the way up and i get a good signal and the volume pot works to cut the volume but the  sensitivity make no differenc when adjusted.<br />
Yea a twin 65 reverb all the way up in the den and no blown out windows and you can talk loudly and hear each other.  anybody had an experience with the drop off in volume on you old script DC when activated? sorry for the whine about my DC problem, if this is in the wrong channel could you steer me in the tight direction or point me to a good repair site DYI or pro,<br />
thanks<br />
dale</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 07:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Compressor first makes sense for many musical styles, but for high gain rock, metal, industrial and so forth, I&#039;m a firm believer that the very first thing in your chain should be a good noise suppressor. I think that allows you to have it running with the least impact on your signal chain by allowing you to have the least tone-impacting settings.

Things like fingers sliding on strings or slight noise from lighting is reduced first and so never makes it to a compressor, overdrive, boost, or distortion pedal. If those slight noises make it to your compressor, all that happens is that the hum and hiss and string noise you don&#039;t want getting through just gets squashed and louder in the signal chain...which makes it even worse when it then hits your distortion pedal. The further down the chain your noise suppressor, the harder it must work to dampen unwanted noise.

What should make it through the noise gate/suppressor is what you want heard, and thus what you want running through your compressor. My vote (as a high gain sort of  player) is that a compressor should go second. In fact, I find for those really tight and fast metal riffs, the best thing is to have a noise suppressor running at the start of the chain with the lightest possible setting that just removes &#039;unintended noise&#039;, then compressor, rest of your chain and a second noise suppressor with the lightest settings possible again at the end of it to help with rapid deadening for tight palm-muted playing.

Granted, if I&#039;m playing blues or classic rock or a lot of mellow stuff, it isn&#039;t a big deal and I probably wouldn&#039;t even have a suppressor/gate in the chain...but for metal players, putting a compressor first just means those &#039;unintended and undesirable&#039; sounds and noises are made harder to deal with further along in the chain. I see a lot of young players mistakenly put a noise suppressor last in their chain and then complain it doesn&#039;t work right and is too noisy or kills their tone because they have to crank the suppression/gating up so high. Duh!

Why try to reduce the noise you don&#039;t want after it&#039;s been raised in volume, distorted, and then might have modulation effects thrown on it? Much easier if you can target the noise before anything else is done. The noise suppressor must work harder and also reduces more of the total signal rather than just the tiny noise that should have never hit any other effects in the first place if it is not the first thing in your chain. If you are worried about it killing your tone, run an EQ or tube preamp pedal to inject a bit of any missing frequencies back into your tone and then into your compressor as the third item in the chain.

Just my two cents, and again...that&#039;s just what I have found from my own high gain rituals.

Love the blog. What a great bunch of articles and ideas!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compressor first makes sense for many musical styles, but for high gain rock, metal, industrial and so forth, I&#8217;m a firm believer that the very first thing in your chain should be a good noise suppressor. I think that allows you to have it running with the least impact on your signal chain by allowing you to have the least tone-impacting settings.</p>
<p>Things like fingers sliding on strings or slight noise from lighting is reduced first and so never makes it to a compressor, overdrive, boost, or distortion pedal. If those slight noises make it to your compressor, all that happens is that the hum and hiss and string noise you don&#8217;t want getting through just gets squashed and louder in the signal chain&#8230;which makes it even worse when it then hits your distortion pedal. The further down the chain your noise suppressor, the harder it must work to dampen unwanted noise.</p>
<p>What should make it through the noise gate/suppressor is what you want heard, and thus what you want running through your compressor. My vote (as a high gain sort of  player) is that a compressor should go second. In fact, I find for those really tight and fast metal riffs, the best thing is to have a noise suppressor running at the start of the chain with the lightest possible setting that just removes &#8216;unintended noise&#8217;, then compressor, rest of your chain and a second noise suppressor with the lightest settings possible again at the end of it to help with rapid deadening for tight palm-muted playing.</p>
<p>Granted, if I&#8217;m playing blues or classic rock or a lot of mellow stuff, it isn&#8217;t a big deal and I probably wouldn&#8217;t even have a suppressor/gate in the chain&#8230;but for metal players, putting a compressor first just means those &#8216;unintended and undesirable&#8217; sounds and noises are made harder to deal with further along in the chain. I see a lot of young players mistakenly put a noise suppressor last in their chain and then complain it doesn&#8217;t work right and is too noisy or kills their tone because they have to crank the suppression/gating up so high. Duh!</p>
<p>Why try to reduce the noise you don&#8217;t want after it&#8217;s been raised in volume, distorted, and then might have modulation effects thrown on it? Much easier if you can target the noise before anything else is done. The noise suppressor must work harder and also reduces more of the total signal rather than just the tiny noise that should have never hit any other effects in the first place if it is not the first thing in your chain. If you are worried about it killing your tone, run an EQ or tube preamp pedal to inject a bit of any missing frequencies back into your tone and then into your compressor as the third item in the chain.</p>
<p>Just my two cents, and again&#8230;that&#8217;s just what I have found from my own high gain rituals.</p>
<p>Love the blog. What a great bunch of articles and ideas!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Compressors can be placed after an EQ. The Boosted FQ on and EQ gets squashed before others, and vise versa for the FQs lowerd.
I prefer after though because any coloring the compressor created can be adjusted out with an EQ. A wah wah/volume is the exception. A comp before changes feel of the pedal and the range on the volume control. 

  For musicians who put a comp last in their chain to controll volume I have a suggestion.
  
 I connect my chain to a level meter in one of my rack units to set even volumes out of comps and od units etc. 
 My volumes now remain constant which is important for recording or a sound man live. 

 I think musicians need A simple portable meter at the end of his chain that looks like a like a tuner. 
 A switch on it could allow P-P Avr and RMS db level readings and would be great for complex waves too.   
 This way a guitarist can take a reading with everything bypassed, then turn one effect on at a time to adjust equal volume throughout a chain.
  
 Besides maintaining an even recording volume I found this most usefull for adjusting pickup height and setting patch volume levels on those dreaded all in one multieffects pedals also. 

 Also Pros dont boost lead volumes much sound men punch them up for solos. 

For those who arent so luckey you could have all the musicians in a band set an equal boost % and put an end to volume wars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compressors can be placed after an EQ. The Boosted FQ on and EQ gets squashed before others, and vise versa for the FQs lowerd.<br />
I prefer after though because any coloring the compressor created can be adjusted out with an EQ. A wah wah/volume is the exception. A comp before changes feel of the pedal and the range on the volume control. </p>
<p>  For musicians who put a comp last in their chain to controll volume I have a suggestion.</p>
<p> I connect my chain to a level meter in one of my rack units to set even volumes out of comps and od units etc.<br />
 My volumes now remain constant which is important for recording or a sound man live. </p>
<p> I think musicians need A simple portable meter at the end of his chain that looks like a like a tuner.<br />
 A switch on it could allow P-P Avr and RMS db level readings and would be great for complex waves too.<br />
 This way a guitarist can take a reading with everything bypassed, then turn one effect on at a time to adjust equal volume throughout a chain.</p>
<p> Besides maintaining an even recording volume I found this most usefull for adjusting pickup height and setting patch volume levels on those dreaded all in one multieffects pedals also. </p>
<p> Also Pros dont boost lead volumes much sound men punch them up for solos. </p>
<p>For those who arent so luckey you could have all the musicians in a band set an equal boost % and put an end to volume wars.</p>
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