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		<title>By: WTFBAMLOL</title>
		<link>http://www.muzique.com/news/true-bypass-misinformation/comment-page-1/#comment-813</link>
		<dc:creator>WTFBAMLOL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 05:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never buy  a pedal for it&#039;s bypass swich, i don&#039;t even think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never buy  a pedal for it&#8217;s bypass swich, i don&#8217;t even think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: BrotherTank</title>
		<link>http://www.muzique.com/news/true-bypass-misinformation/comment-page-1/#comment-435</link>
		<dc:creator>BrotherTank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 03:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed Charmboy... to a point... :)

Many of the greats back then like Hendrix for example, used only a few basic pedals and those were what gave them their sound. Back then, I couldn&#039;t imagine Hendrix not going into the studio without his own pedals and specific guitars.  Minor differences might have be found in different recording sessions or studios with different equipment used to mic and put the sound to tape.

Fortunately, I was born in the early 60&#039;s and heard many of the greats play live.

Later into the 80&#039;s and 90&#039;s people started looking at tone sucking as the safistication of the studios and their equipment evolved.  But even then (and probably to a lessor extent now) guitarists would want to take their setup into the studio as they wanted the same sound on the album that they were playing with in practice and on stage.  

Now with studios being mostly digital, and all the modellings that software can provide, I guess it becomes a little less likely that todays musicians are dragging in their complete stage setup to replicate their sound...  Although, one band that does come to mind is Boston.  Scholz created the Boston sound - patented it really - And recorded the first 3 albums using nothing but his own equipment that he tailored/built completely to create and keep the sound consistant - both on and off stage...

Greg
BrotherTank</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed Charmboy&#8230; to a point&#8230; <img src='http://www.muzique.com/news/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Many of the greats back then like Hendrix for example, used only a few basic pedals and those were what gave them their sound. Back then, I couldn&#8217;t imagine Hendrix not going into the studio without his own pedals and specific guitars.  Minor differences might have be found in different recording sessions or studios with different equipment used to mic and put the sound to tape.</p>
<p>Fortunately, I was born in the early 60&#8242;s and heard many of the greats play live.</p>
<p>Later into the 80&#8242;s and 90&#8242;s people started looking at tone sucking as the safistication of the studios and their equipment evolved.  But even then (and probably to a lessor extent now) guitarists would want to take their setup into the studio as they wanted the same sound on the album that they were playing with in practice and on stage.  </p>
<p>Now with studios being mostly digital, and all the modellings that software can provide, I guess it becomes a little less likely that todays musicians are dragging in their complete stage setup to replicate their sound&#8230;  Although, one band that does come to mind is Boston.  Scholz created the Boston sound &#8211; patented it really &#8211; And recorded the first 3 albums using nothing but his own equipment that he tailored/built completely to create and keep the sound consistant &#8211; both on and off stage&#8230;</p>
<p>Greg<br />
BrotherTank</p>
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		<title>By: Alan D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 16:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a Dunlop 95 Cry Baby Wah and i find that it does &quot;suck the tone&quot; as the say. when i&#039;m using it it&#039;s fine and im happy but it does affect the rest of my chain when i&#039;m not using it. Do any other people have this ? Any suggestions ?

Cheers
Alan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a Dunlop 95 Cry Baby Wah and i find that it does &#8220;suck the tone&#8221; as the say. when i&#8217;m using it it&#8217;s fine and im happy but it does affect the rest of my chain when i&#8217;m not using it. Do any other people have this ? Any suggestions ?</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Alan</p>
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		<title>By: Great page about true bypass vx. non true bypass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Great page about true bypass vx. non true bypass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 20:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] page about true bypass vx. non true bypass         AMZ-FX Guitar Effects Blog » Blog Archive » True Bypass Misinformation  It&#8217;s been discussed here a few times so I thought this might be interesting for some of you.   [...]</p>
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		<title>By: charmboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>charmboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great point BT, although I suspect that those heroes didn&#039;t have effects that they weren&#039;t using inline and switched off on all those great studio recordings.  To really prove your point you&#039;d need to rely on live performances from that era and quite frankly, even the greatest of guitar heroes had their share or crappy live tones in comparison to the sounds they got on studio records.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point BT, although I suspect that those heroes didn&#8217;t have effects that they weren&#8217;t using inline and switched off on all those great studio recordings.  To really prove your point you&#8217;d need to rely on live performances from that era and quite frankly, even the greatest of guitar heroes had their share or crappy live tones in comparison to the sounds they got on studio records.</p>
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		<title>By: BrotherTank</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrotherTank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 09:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The discussion of true bypass (DpDt) vs 70&#039;s style (SpDt) creates quite the quandry, with many people taking different sides or opinions as to which is more appropriate.  

In all the discussions that I have read over the years, I&#039;ve seen the same arguments about the 70&#039;s tone sucking, vs the True Bypass giving a truer, more pure sound - even with the arguments about patchcord capacitance and switch contact capacitance affecting the sound slightly.  And yet in all these discussions you also see these people looking for the same sound from their favorite player from the 60&#039;s, 70&#039;s, 80&#039;s, etc.  - But they still want the &quot;True Bypass&quot; and are worried because the pedals may be buffered and don&#039;t want the tone sucking.  They have been quazi brainwashed into thinking that TrueBypass is the answer, but then go nuts trying to find the settings and exact pedal combinations to achieve the sounds of their guitar idols.  

The fact is that the 60&#039;s-70&#039;s tone sucking - simple SPDT switching is exactly what made those artists sound the way that they did.  Hands off to the folks that want true pure DPDT or 3PDT switching to get the effect completely removed from the signal chain...

But I&#039;ll stick to my original set of 70&#039;s MXR tone sucking SPDT switching pedals,into my MusicMan 210-65 Amp...  I have the sound I want... I have the sound of the greats... from a very exciting time in music where experimentation of various pedals and manufacturers produced some of the most amazing music of all time.  

Sure... the tone changes in my effect change, but it changes the same way it did back then.... Tone sucking was part of the way the sound of the 60&#039;s and 70&#039;s created.  

Greg
BrotherTank

PS: As an electronic technologist, I understand completely all the test results and the effects of each type of bypass.. In the end all that really matters is &quot;Do you like the sound you have?&quot; - Yes... Great.. If not - and if you are looking for the sound of your guitar god like Clapton, Hendrix, Eddie VH, and soooo many others... Remember... There sound came from those Tone Sucking Pedals you have been told are Bad...

BT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The discussion of true bypass (DpDt) vs 70&#8242;s style (SpDt) creates quite the quandry, with many people taking different sides or opinions as to which is more appropriate.  </p>
<p>In all the discussions that I have read over the years, I&#8217;ve seen the same arguments about the 70&#8242;s tone sucking, vs the True Bypass giving a truer, more pure sound &#8211; even with the arguments about patchcord capacitance and switch contact capacitance affecting the sound slightly.  And yet in all these discussions you also see these people looking for the same sound from their favorite player from the 60&#8242;s, 70&#8242;s, 80&#8242;s, etc.  &#8211; But they still want the &#8220;True Bypass&#8221; and are worried because the pedals may be buffered and don&#8217;t want the tone sucking.  They have been quazi brainwashed into thinking that TrueBypass is the answer, but then go nuts trying to find the settings and exact pedal combinations to achieve the sounds of their guitar idols.  </p>
<p>The fact is that the 60&#8242;s-70&#8242;s tone sucking &#8211; simple SPDT switching is exactly what made those artists sound the way that they did.  Hands off to the folks that want true pure DPDT or 3PDT switching to get the effect completely removed from the signal chain&#8230;</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ll stick to my original set of 70&#8242;s MXR tone sucking SPDT switching pedals,into my MusicMan 210-65 Amp&#8230;  I have the sound I want&#8230; I have the sound of the greats&#8230; from a very exciting time in music where experimentation of various pedals and manufacturers produced some of the most amazing music of all time.  </p>
<p>Sure&#8230; the tone changes in my effect change, but it changes the same way it did back then&#8230;. Tone sucking was part of the way the sound of the 60&#8242;s and 70&#8242;s created.  </p>
<p>Greg<br />
BrotherTank</p>
<p>PS: As an electronic technologist, I understand completely all the test results and the effects of each type of bypass.. In the end all that really matters is &#8220;Do you like the sound you have?&#8221; &#8211; Yes&#8230; Great.. If not &#8211; and if you are looking for the sound of your guitar god like Clapton, Hendrix, Eddie VH, and soooo many others&#8230; Remember&#8230; There sound came from those Tone Sucking Pedals you have been told are Bad&#8230;</p>
<p>BT</p>
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		<title>By: analogmike</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 16:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can easily stop oscillations by connecting the bypass switch correctly. Ground our the SEND or TO CIRCUIT line when the switch is off. This should be explained in the above articles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can easily stop oscillations by connecting the bypass switch correctly. Ground our the SEND or TO CIRCUIT line when the switch is off. This should be explained in the above articles.</p>
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		<title>By: DDD</title>
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		<dc:creator>DDD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bypassing several pedals with the single switch may cause oscillation due to the switch capacitance. The most &quot;dangerous&quot; capacitance is the capacitance between poles that is usually works as the capacitance between input and output.
I&#039;ve made a high-gain stompbox with couple band-pass filters and maximum gain of about 110dB. The gadget works well but oscillates at maximum gain and resonance settings. Taking away stompswitch eliminates the problem at all. Connecting the 5,6 pF capacitor between input and output causes oscillation at the same frequency as the switch does. 
Switch is DPDT model PBS-24. So I think its capacitance is close to 5,6 pf between poles.
To drastically reduce the said capacitance one can use 3PDT switch with the central section grounded (all of the three pins).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bypassing several pedals with the single switch may cause oscillation due to the switch capacitance. The most &#8220;dangerous&#8221; capacitance is the capacitance between poles that is usually works as the capacitance between input and output.<br />
I&#8217;ve made a high-gain stompbox with couple band-pass filters and maximum gain of about 110dB. The gadget works well but oscillates at maximum gain and resonance settings. Taking away stompswitch eliminates the problem at all. Connecting the 5,6 pF capacitor between input and output causes oscillation at the same frequency as the switch does.<br />
Switch is DPDT model PBS-24. So I think its capacitance is close to 5,6 pf between poles.<br />
To drastically reduce the said capacitance one can use 3PDT switch with the central section grounded (all of the three pins).</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That might be okay, depending on the pedal.  It would be better to mod the pedals to eliminate some of the buffer duplicates, which should be fairly easy.

regards, Jack</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That might be okay, depending on the pedal.  It would be better to mod the pedals to eliminate some of the buffer duplicates, which should be fairly easy.</p>
<p>regards, Jack</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the case of a chain with several buffered pedals in it, would it be better to move the switching outside the pedal? By that, I mean that instead of the pedal being in the chain, several boxes with nothing more than a stomp and four jacks are in the chain? Two jacks are for the chain, one it out to fx, the other in in from fx. That way that buffer is removed from the chain when the pedal is on bypass?

I hope that makes sense! How about-

Instead of

--[]--[]--[]-- (pedal chain with buffered fx)

it&#039;s 

--{}--{}--{}--  (pedal chain with bypass boxes)
  &#124;&#124;  &#124;&#124;  &#124;&#124;    (to/from fx)
  []  []  []    (buffered fx)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the case of a chain with several buffered pedals in it, would it be better to move the switching outside the pedal? By that, I mean that instead of the pedal being in the chain, several boxes with nothing more than a stomp and four jacks are in the chain? Two jacks are for the chain, one it out to fx, the other in in from fx. That way that buffer is removed from the chain when the pedal is on bypass?</p>
<p>I hope that makes sense! How about-</p>
<p>Instead of</p>
<p>&#8211;[]&#8211;[]&#8211;[]&#8211; (pedal chain with buffered fx)</p>
<p>it&#8217;s </p>
<p>&#8211;{}&#8211;{}&#8211;{}&#8211;  (pedal chain with bypass boxes)<br />
  ||  ||  ||    (to/from fx)<br />
  []  []  []    (buffered fx)</p>
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